Marilyn, thank you, I appreciate your concernI havent finished reading it yet.usually when I read a thing I just glean what I need to glean, and dont necessarily take in the whole thing. In the political world (which I dont participate in) this is what the liberal left does to conservatives by calling them names (e.g. But let Gods people yield to Jesus and let their Jesus light shine out of them and the world will begin to hate Gods people, will begin to respect Gods people, will begone to fear Gods people and multitudes will begin to LISTEN TO GODS PEOPLE for the lost sheep will begin hear the voice of the Shepherd IN HIS PEOPLE AND WILL FOLLOW HIM. he works through us and not we ourselves. "The beauty of it was that in the course of explaining and teaching the court about what it means to walk out one's faith as a Christian, Torben was able to share scripture.". Maybe it was the fact that the video started He said it and that settles it. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. Well saidyou have hit a few nails on the head in your last post. I was all ears! He regards the distressing circumstances of the poor widows. signs/wonders (using the gifts given us) will follow and subsequently souls saved for the Kingdom. I dont see how this validates water baptism. And treat His holy things as HOLY? I have just posted a brief video (above) where Torben discusses the amazing things that happen when this is done. It's time we start obeying Jesus' words and make disciples of all nations. Read what Jesus Christ had to say (RIGHT FROM HIS OWN LIPS) about it here: Mar 9:38 KJV And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils IN THY NAME, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. If you really believe what you are saying about Bill Johnson to be true then why dont you say, The Holy Spirit told me that Bill Johnson doesnt belong to God, is not a child of God and is purposefully leading the people of God astray as a messenger of Satan? Knowing how His whole being, His whole nature, radiated that wondrous, blessed life of God of which He was Himself the living manifestation, she said within herself, If I can but touch His garment, I shall be healed. (See Matthew 9:21; Mark 5:28.) He is excited to share with others what GOD is doing. My only goal here is to honor and glorify our Lord Jesus, not to attack anyone. I think a lot of people need to repent. If you dont believe that my testing of the spirits is being done in a biblical manner, then maybe you could suggest what you believe would be a proper biblical way to test the spirits. They will walk into a childrens hospital and clear it out, even patients who had chemo for cancer will have their hair grow back. After watching the second video, I can see the value of praying with people after talking to them about Jesus. The elitist claims to have personal relationships with God and regularly receive divine visions. cynics, skeptics, squashers of joy, etc.). Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Pretty messybut pretty amazing that God loves people that much, There were plenty of historical (1700s and 1800s and early 1900s)revival preachers that wrote about being unprepared for what it looks like for a whole congregation to be deliveredit scared them, it made them doubt that it was of God because it was so bizarre. If we should respect simple grammar and honour the first mentioned in sentences, it means that one must first be saved by water before you can receive the Holy Spirit. As for me, I will stand on Gods word and challenge anyone who would do otherwise to bring forth objective evidence that these healings are from God. Barry Schmidt said: I remembered how many times in gospels it says, they came to Jesus to. Or they brought to Jesus a man who. We dont have to make it happen- God will bring people to Jesus IN US if only we will yield to Jesus and let Him use us!!! Seymour didnt preach that night. Thats it. It is plain heresy. God said to the Apostles, and therefore also to us today Wait upon the Holy Spirit for the power from on high (for the HS unction) and then go out. 1) to be fearful, be dreadful, be feared So true about trying to put each other into boxes or us having to do such & such etc. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is just the beginning to the spiritual and supernatural journey -we go on to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. John 3:5. Redacted government documents surrounding his arrest can be viewed here at friendsoftorben.com. We need to be discerning in love, yet remain true to Gods Word. Jhn 17:19 NASB For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. However I can understand the skepticism of people not about the miracles but the structure and functioning of christianity. Spend longer, check things out better before calling people names. Or when did he say Johns Baptism will pass away? The flip side is we did these things in your name and Jesus replied depart from me you workers of lawlessness. I believe that Andrews used an unfortunate choice of words in the second post calling those who sincerely wish to fulfill the biblical duty to test the spirits as a Sad Reaction. Thank you Andrew for this next follow up of Torben. These are those who are like back-seat drivers; they love to stereotype and put all healing gifters into the same box. (Luke 24: 27), And isn`t this what Andrew Strom is encouraging us to do, Jesus said many will come in His name, saying that He is Christ. It is not open season for all our opinions as we each have those, & plenty of them. fromheaven,orofmen? b) (Niphal) They were floating ON water IN the ark which is a metaphor of Jesus Christ. And if this same man TELEPORTED right in front of the crowd of people, or multiplied MANNA for the crowd of people.THAT YOU WOULD BELIEVE? You dont know me, nor do I know you. Listen, I can only tell you about someone that really has raised the dead and dying by the power of Yeshua. WARNING If you choose to enter this site or watch our content and continue to support Torben Sondergaard in any way, you will be held accountable on the day of judgment for learning the truth and choosing to ignore the truth. The ENEMY comes as an angel of Light..and copies the same MIRACLES that Jesus did. And Jesus said, Who touched Me? When all denied it, Peter and those with him said, Master, the multitudes throng and press You, and You say, Who touched Me? But Jesus said, Somebody touched Me, for I perceived power going out from Me.. Gen 15:9-18 & Gen 17:9-14 Abraham and his Seed 3.Arent all the epistles (Rom to Rev) written to baptized(fully immersed) communities who started taking up their cross to follow Jesus pattern1Ti 1:16? What was the PURPOSE of these MANIFESTATIONS? Updated 7 Dec, 2020. They left for the U.S. with only what they could carry in eight suitcases. Torben Sondergaard Calls the Line of Fire from PrisonDr. But I guess thats what powerless religion us all about. God doesnt like strange fire being mixed with His; its very distasteful. Torben does talk to people about Jesus and would appear to be genuine in his belief. Sondergaard claims to be an apostle and healer of the faith. Perhaps you should read the whole passage up to verse 12. There is a guy in the pool at 2:02 min he is speaking in tongues. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. I have been privileged to partner with the Lord Jesus in such healings in public places with the late Neville Logan back in the 70s. Former followers, former board members of the organisation, the press, other churches, and professionals have described his organisation, The Last Reformation, as extreme, dangerous, and a cult. When the Lord God does a work it is holy.and we should be in awe enough to not handle it with our hands of flesh and make an idol of it, much less glory in it. The one thing youve missed is that water is mentioned first and then the Holy Spirit. He told me that all discs were as good as new, with absolutely no sign of any damage. The Bible distinctly says, For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. This is precisely why Jesus (God) had to become like us in all things except sin. Revealing Truth 49.6K subscribers Torben Sondergaard of the Last Reformation is a false teacher on many topics and has now been arrested for potential gun smuggling. Andrew JH thankyou for that good news update . All glory to Yeshua who opens blind eyes, deaf ears, causes the lame to walk and the dead to rise. There isnt any! Synonym Discussion of WEIRD There is nothing wrong with being cautious and asking questions. Jonathan I honestly dont consider my understanding of this to be fully formed yet (ie, interpreting/understanding scripture) so Im reluctant to even try to discuss it in writing until I have a better grasp of things. 23:25). Lets see why: Baptism in water was for Jewish unbelievers. For all those caught up in this demonic mess and want to be set free please read this article: Seeking Salvation or Deliverance? Jda016, you are absolutely right on in your discernment above..it is witchcraft. Only God is holy and only God can and will do His holy works in and through us. Etc, etc. Its not just a matter of someone professing correct doctrine with their lips, but an indwelling of the Holy Spirit such that, when it acts through us, people are brought to repentance, recognizing Jesus as Lord. Home. Even the promise od Jesus coming is questioned . Even in our disagreements we need to be glorifying God in all that we do. WHO does the SANCTIFYING? It is THE ENEMY that COUNTERFEITS the things of God! New Testament Christianity right before your eyes. He stands for repentance, holiness and reformation And we are not of weak faith when we weep and plead with the Father on somebodys behalf or stick our neck out to warn. I do not consider any of the miracles Jesus did in any way wierd. He believes that the Holy Spirit, acting through him, can heal people. If there is one charlatan, then they rebuke all who perform wonders and healings in the Name of Jesus. Gods word teaches in 1 John 3 & 4 that the Holy Spirit resides in us. He never flattered people in power, such as Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea, enticing them to join His group and help Him If He had compromised with the Pharisees, He could probably have obtained worldly influence easily. They want hope, need hope and the only hope is found in God! truly revolutionary but also very simple about getting back All that Christ wanted was faith in Himself. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. Why Jonathan Cahn and His Revelations Must be, Stephan Joubert se Deurlees van die Boek Openbaring, Terms and Conditions for Submission of Comments, Freemasonry / Ordo Novum Seclorum / Illuminati, Exposed: Holy Spirit vs Unholy Spirit of Fire. Jhn 17:14 NASB I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Andthere arethreethat bear witnessinearth,the Spirit,andthe water,andthe blood:andthese threeagreeinone. Years ago The Lord said there would be no more one man doing all the ministry but the sheep ministering to the sheep, one on one! 0 20 20 comments Best He comes to SHOCK AND AWE! This is what has happened throughout history and is nothing new. i would be interested in your comments on Isaiah Saldivar who has miracles happening on the streets, in his home and in church. You guys talk of not judging others, but then judge me as a skeptic. The rest all succumbed in the desert because of their sins and disbelief. If water was able to wash away sins, we would have had no need of Jesus becoming flesh, of his cross, and of his blood. I know every true child of God wants to get in the game and see Jesus move and love and work in them and through them. The Holy Spirit & His Word agree. In 1995, he committed his life to Christ and felt God calling him to ministry. Person now worships God, praises Jesus, and is Torben born again due to the fact that they can now speak in gibberish tongues. Foras many of you ashave been baptizedintoChristhave put onChrist. Tyrone Palmer- amen bro! (1 John 5:5 NASB). Gods idea of glory is not the same as mans idea of glory. We dont consider Him to have been of weak faith. Too many people are busy looking for signs and wonders and taking their eyes of off Jesus. Torben is the founder of The Last Reformation, a worldwide movement that seeks to return Christianity to the Book of Acts. Click the gear icon at the bottom right corner of the comment box, then click EDIT. 1 Corinthians 6:11. Finally a few good religious folk got ahold of him, and told him he couldnt do that. Paul had an awful time with those type of people as we can see in Gal and Rom and also the author of Hebrews. Torben Sndergaard (1976-) is a Danish Christian evangelist, self-proclaimed apostle, and faith healer, who claims to receive revelations and visions directly from God. If youre not experiencing His tangible Presence in your private prayer time, youre missing the LIFE that Jesus Christ DIED TO GIVE TO EACH OF US for the salvation of the rest of the world. After commenting you have 15 minutes to EDIT your comment. happening. I believe God is Sovereign and all things happen for a reason, as i came to this site after looking up Leon du Preez( Thanks again), but just when i wanted to share that post, i found this one. Ive had no pain since that time. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel46.pdf. Fearmongers is a negative description of people who warn others. There is a great emphasis in the Last Reformation Movement on feelings and the gifts and their 'model for church' is confined to Acts. Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, Aarons rod that buddedmiraculously. FEAR NOT is listed in the King James version144 times. If Bill truly is of God, he has a lot of very strange and new age things he is allowing to take place in his church. Officials found nothing wrong. Bill Johnson can not save anyone, only God can. Not as playthings, not as things we use and do with as WE (flesh) please. It could be the GLORY Face like Moses manifested. This i believe: Jesus was emphasizing both the Water and His pending Holy Spirit in Jhn 3:5 Anytime in scripture that God done something then immediately the enemy came to destroy it. The fakes and charlatans lengthen legs to try to copy the original healings of God. We never see any of the apostles commissioning new believers to go out and do this. When a man asked Kohn Wesley what his secret was he said to the man, I suggest that you let God light you on fire and people will come and watch you burn!, My email: hope this is safe- what the heck safe sucks! Remove the hardness and scar tissues of doubt, unbelief, ungodly fear and incredulity we recieved from those days of past deception. He told us that He is our ONLY Teacher Matthew 23:8-10; and the 5 fold ministry He has gifted to His Body, is Him, so let us seek His understanding to find out who are those of Him and those who are false 5 fold ministers.. Is this the way we find out first what pleases the Lord, or is it mans view of what The Lord should be pleased with? See also John 1:12-13. I do not see anything wrong with what they are doing. He had been criticized about his methods of evangelism. We have to go May the Lord bless Pastor Torden and his friends in the Lord. I agree with Andrew that there is a difference between cynicism and discernment. I am so thankful that there are faithful saints who yield to the simplicity of the gospel and have the nerve to go out and reach people in streets. To date they only hear and see at best a cheap immigration of Jesus works and voice in His people. Paul was always on guard for the church and admonishing and warning constantly with the help of the Holy Spirit, and with good reason. How sad it will be ONE DAY AFTER HIS COMING but for many it will be TOO LATE. Contrary to almost any other Christian denomination, he teaches that salvation for a Christian is completed through baptism in water not using the Trinitarian formula,[19]as well as through baptism in the Holy Spirit with the manifestation of speaking in tongues, often saying dadadaadadadaa.[20][21][22][23][24]He also teaches that just as Jesus received the Holy Spirit through water baptism, it is through baptism that a Christian receives the Holy Spirit. He prayed for every sick person in his extended family, sick people related to friends and acquaintances, etc. Back all that Christ wanted was faith in Himself every sick person in his belief the comment,! 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