Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. End of Line He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned: Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. He later resurfaced with the Padres. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. While the Detroit Tigers spent the last few days preparing for their first World Series in 16 years, the man who pitched them to the 1968 championship baked more than 10,000 doughnuts. That's more realistic but generous, I think! April 23, 2003 Ramblin' Pete Mickey loved his Harley. This has never happened before? You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! August 7, 2018 The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. November 12, 2006 No contest. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. (thankfully returning in '81). Hey Mets Fan, Lolich never asked to be traded to New York. You can't be serious. Feat Fan October 19, 2011 No contest. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. Bob Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Bob P February 25, 2003 August 7, 2018 But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Dianna Jeanneh Jones Rusty could hit with the lights out. (thankfully returning in '81). I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. - Now for the trade itself. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. Really? Kooz I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. August 11, 2015 Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Jay But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Jim Snedeker I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Over a thousand player transactions -- in chronological order! "Never bothers me," Lolich says, smiling. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. December 24, 2001 An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. He later resurfaced with the Padres. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. support. May 7, 2013 snook Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. By then Lolich had learned to bake and he bought out his partner. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. August 7, 2018 I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. That's more realistic but generous, I think! Shari December 8, 2006 (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. snook LA-Mets His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. December 13, 2007 The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. Fattest guy ever to grace a Mets uniform There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. Mickey liked his doughnuts. Peter The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Bob P Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Randy Tate Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. It turns out that Jerry Quarry is a better poet than Muhammad Ali and a better singer than Joe Frazier. You can't be serious. August 7, 2018 We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. Ramblin' Pete Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. That would make him a star in today's market. GoMets2006 Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Dianna Jeanneh Jones He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. Jim Snedeker To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? October 19, 2011 Lolich blossomed in 1964, winning 18 games and 192 strikeouts in his first full season in the major leagues. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. But the facts are: Really? Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. It was the former Pontiac, Oxford & Northern Railroad corridor (P.O. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. LA-Mets Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. 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